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Entry: Just War, Jeremiah, and Jeremiah Weed Link: http://www.takimag.com/site/article/just_war_jeremiah_and_jeremiah_weed#902 Post contents: Ted Van Oosbree? Isn't that the "name" of a presumed agent for the Christ-hating SPLC that has been part of trouble for both the Chronicles site and Robert Sungenis? To assert that I have my facts wrong and then to fail to note one incorrect fact I asserted should be enough to tip off readers that 'Mr. Van Oosbree' is at best a parrot of the Lincoln/Sacred Union cult. It is good, however, that he acknowledges that civil war and secession are two very different things. The conjunction "or" between the two so signifies. The rest of the sentence is absurd, at best. Of course, claiming that civil war is a gray area for Christian Just War is a way to exonerate both the Anglo-Saxon Puritans (say, for raping and then slaughtering nuns in Ireland) and the Jacobins as they slaughtered civilians and destroyed civilization as surely as the pagan and Arian Germans did in Late Antiquity. Lincoln refused to negotiate. Until you negotiate, you ccannot know what can be negotiated. Lincoln refused even to discuss the legitmacy of secession, which has NEVER been proven wrong save by might makes right warring. To claim that the party that refused to negotiate at all is somehow freed from having needed to negotiate is a nice Trotskyite approach. My anti-secession ancestors lived much easily the first half of the War than the second half, after Union troops took over, and during Reconstruction. There were at least as many people in non-seceding staes that supported the Confederacy's right to secede, and Lincoln and the Republicans waged culture war on them. How many were imprisoned? How any pro-secession or pro-Democrat newspapers were shut down by Lincoln and the Republicans? Were those acts to silence free speech somehow proof that Lincoln honored Christian Just War? As only about 60% of East Tennesseans were pro-Union, with most East Tennessee counties turning out per capita volunteers for the Confederate Army at rates insignificantly lower than Middle and West Tennessee counties, the number of people jubilant at the Union Army's reign of terror would have been quite small. But that avoids the issue almost as much as 'Mr. Van Oosbree' does. When Hitler's troops took Austria, many people greeted the Nazi trrops so effusively that Nazi leaders wept. Did that exonerate Hitler from his violations of Christian Just War? I really like the claim that the war crimes against large numbers of Southern civilians was caused by the Confederacy's failure to surrender soon enough. As they did not surrender quickly enough, poor Honest Abe was FORCED to oversee the slaughter of civilians. That logic could be vomited by Leon Trotsky, and it makes my point that Lincoln lovers tend to be as insanely, self-righteously vicious as Trotskyites. Of course, the two come together in the Neocon movement. If not surrendering quickly enough to keep the victor from waging war against civilians is violation of Christian Just War, then what is going to war without just cause and ending up waging war against civilians? Jacobin Just War? Pagan Just War? Puritan Just War? Secular Democracy Just War? Talmudic Just War? It most decidedly is NOT Christian Just War. Sent at: 2008 10 11