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Entry: Mopping up the Israel Lobby Link: http://www.takimag.com/site/article/mopping_up_the_israel_lobby#9304 Post contents: @Spartacus: How I do appreciate the wonderful Christian charity of progressive liberals such as yourself! It is so cheering to know what you folks, so imprisoned in your modernist mindset, really think about us poor, benighted traditional Catholics. Let me add, personally, that I was a seminarian at the Seminaire Internationale Saint Pie X, in Econe, from 1975 until 1979 (and previous to that, at the University of Navarra). I taught at the Seminario San Pio X in Argentina, so I do have some first-hand knowledge of the SSPX...and I don't recognize the "hatemongers" you make them (us) out to be. You really do sound like Morris Dees and Abe Foxman, you know.... are you sure that you aren't a Dees plant? So, you suggest that the Magisterium contradicts the Fathers of the Church. Now that's a novel twist...and St. Paul, too, no doubt. You modernists are just brimming with (non) surprizes. In an earlier thread I listed a number of pontiffs, Fathers of the Church, with citations. Because you state, with fearsome tones!! that my VERY reputation will be in play (I shudder!), let me hasten to state again that there were at least fifteen popes, between St. Gregory and 1715, who condemned various aspects of Talmudic Judaism, including Innocent III, Gregory X, John XXII, Julius III, Paul IV, Pius IV, St. Pius V, etc. Let me cite just one at the moment, St Pius V, in his bull Hebraeorum gens (First Paragraph): "The Hebrew people, elected in a previous time by the Lord to particate in the celestial mysteries...by its incredulity, was then brought down and humiliated; when the fullness of time arrived it was condemned as perfidious and ingrate, having killed its Redeemer and Lord...." For your information, the "killing of its Redeemer and Lord" is what some theologians call "deicide." I assume you accept the teaching of Saint Pius V as part of the Magisterium? Actually, the statement of St. Paul (I Thess. 2, 14-15--go read it) is also clear; was he lying? Does he contradict the Magisterium and the teaching of the Church? I use almost exclusively the classic Dictionnaire de Theologie Catholique and the 1912-1914 Catholic Encyclopedia. But numerous other sources exist online. You could refer to: http://www.romancatholicism.org/popes-jews.htm for instance. Also, www.fisheasters.com And there are more. I reject out of hand your other comments; I have heard your arguments made by libs since the mid-1970s. Your comments are replete with warmed-over modernism, and do nothing to assist either your salvation, or mine. You can keep this controversy going as long as you wish, but, frankly, I've heard it all before, except that you manifest a certain hatred and disdain for traditionalists. As this colloquy is going nowhere, I don't intend to engage you any further. That's it. Sent at: 2008 05 15