A post-neocon?
Lawrence Kaplan, a neocon of the New Republic deviation, has some rather intriguing things to say to say about what the Iraq war will ultimately mean:
I also think that the Iraq experience has set back the cause of idealism in American foreign policy and the willingness of Western countries to intervene for humanitarian reasons. Take Darfur: I think it’s because of Iraq that nobody wants to intervene there. So on the whole the effects have been huge and overwhelmingly negative. I don’t see anything good that’s come from this war, I’m afraid.
If it’s true that the interventionist class has been chastened—and I’m not positive that this is the case—than this would be the single good thing that I can see coming out of the Iraq debacle.
To give Kaplan some credit, he does make an attempt at self-criticism:
Before the war, Iraq was an abstraction, an idea. Once you have seen the place you can’t help but be much more cautious with the ideas that you put on the table.
Later on:
So being less ‘neo’ and more conservative today makes me much less idealistic and much less optimistic about man’s capacity to change and to improve the world. I am more inclined now to a Hobbesian view of the world and to the view that this condition cannot be changed.
A Neo-culpa? Perhaps. But then what Kaplan’s words really reveal is just how much is at stake for many neocons, how the Iraq disaster threatens to explode their most cherished beliefs:
If one says that you can’t democratize Iraq because they are Iraqis or Arabs, one is really taking a step into outer space in the sense that you then have to embrace arguments about culture and pursue a certain relativism that I am not ready to embrace. We have to remember that there were also those who said that the Japanese and the Germans and the Catholics of South America could not be democrats. I still believe that all cultures are capable of democracy and liberalism. Everybody wants to be free. But obviously, in Iraq this assumption ran into a wall. Now why is that?
Yes, for the sake proving that American “democracy” (whatever this is?) is the One True Way and that all cultures want it, Kaplan is prepared to keep going in Iraq and spend at least another 1.6 Trillion and maybe throw in a few more thousand reservists. Indeed, a willingness to make other people bear any burden and meet any hardship so that he does not have to face reality is probably what Kaplan means by his becoming more “Hobbesian” or “conservative.”
(Also, BTW, the wicked proto-Nazi German Empire was a Constitutional Monarchy with a full-functioning parliament., and the proto-Hitler Prime Minister Bismarck actually installed the first social welfare system (a dubious honor.) Hitler actually seized power democratically. Also, when I traveled through the evil German parts of the world, and the doubly evil German and Catholic lands, I noticed that towns featured lots of large buildings all going by the name Rathaus. I don’t know what that that means, but I think it has something to do with representative government. As for South America, isn’t their problem not a little too much “democracy.”)




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Boo Hoo. Like Viet Nam made any difference. Same con job, same con war. Viet Nam vets run the flag up the pole and send their kids off to die in the next armed Peace Corps operation.
In spite of all evidence to their stupidity, Neo-cons are still the darling pundits of the main stream media. The Republican and Democrat parties are run by neo-cons who are bought off by the Merchants of Death and other corporations.
I was listening to Gen Sanchez on CSPAN yesterday. The Army was betrayed by a few bad eggs in the White House. It wasn’t their fault. America was betrayed by the liberals and the media. The Military tried to warn them but Rumsfeld and Bush wouldn’t listen. In other words the same things the German generals said when they returned from the trenches.
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great post! Too bad that some other people end-up paying for Kaplan’s mistakes, while he gets paid to write a book about it… These guys never lose!
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Chances are, we’ll be hearing quite a few “culpas” from the neocons in coming months. After all, it’s mid-spring and they’re feeling the chill in Dumboland. This wrap-up of the GOP’s elephantine woes is via yesterday’s Politico.com:
“In a piece published in Human Events, the Republicans’ onetime captain, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, warned his old colleagues that they face “real disaster” on Election Day unless they move immediately to “chart a bold course of real reform” for the country.”
“And in a closed-door session at the Capitol, National Republican Congressional Committee Chairman Tom Cole (R-Okla.) told members that the NRCC doesn’t have enough cash to “save them” in November if they don’t raise enough money or run strong campaigns themselves.”
I smell write-off. The party will hold off and hope President Obama amateurishly bobbles the ball - and they can re-emerge in 2012. Or - GORSH! - 2016.
This year is tubbed: McCain fronts a package lobbied-up and neocon-heavy, and he can’t/won’t shake off the Iraq War from the bottom of his shoe. Add to that his economic grounding seems limited to abacus technology - and his recovery ideas offer crumbcake to restive peasants - and the Republicans are looking at disaster, top to tip.
This could be an ass-kicking a’la 1932, when Hoover’s intransigence and inaction in THAT desperate era turned out the party for two fat decades. If that occurs this year, there’s NO WAY the neocons won’t be hung with the debacle; they will, overnight Nov. 4, become as welcome as a smoldering fart at a perfume counter.
That’s the upside, come the fall.
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Kaplan: “If one says that you can’t democratize Iraq because they are Iraqis or Arabs, one is really taking a step into outer space in the sense that you then have to embrace arguments about culture and pursue a certain relativism that I am not ready to embrace.”
What Jewish ideologues, Neocons, left-liberal internationalist Neolibs and even One World Capitalist-materialists don’t like is the idea that it takes a Western Christian foundation to make liberal democracy work, or a liberal democracy with a strong Christian foundation and life-force (which was the case in post WWII America) to impose a liberal democracy on the non-Western, non Christian world (ie Japan).
It now seems clear that Christian-hating ideologues have been carrying out a two-stage scheme in the US for some decades: stage 1) eradicate Christianity in America; stage 2) engineer a post-Christian America’s invasion of foreign countries (ie Iraq, Yugoslavia) and impose a successful “liberal democracy.” And woolah, you have “proven” that the liberal democracy can be attained without the hated Christianity.
The problem is, their master plan is a proven disaster. But the stiff-necked can be stubborn animals.
I would suggest to Kaplan and other Christian-haters to take their theories to, say, Israel, and prove it can be done absent the Christian ethic by turning the Jewish state into a liberal democracy with a liberal democratic constitution.
Heal thyself, Kaplan.
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Newton the Adulterer is probably right. But after years in power and especially with complete control of the government they have zero credibility to start preaching how terrible they were but they have learned their lesson now. This generation of pols need to wander in the wilderness for 40 years until they all die off.
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Nobody wants to intervene in Darfur for two reasons: one, it is a logistical nightmare, and; two, it isn’t our problem. Concerning the first point, sustaining a modern army in a country the size of Texas with no infrastructure is nearly impossible. There is simply no way for a foreign army to defend the place. And this is true of most places, even places like Iraq and Vietnam.
Which leads to the second point, which is really a question: Who is capable of defending Iraq, Vietnam, or Darur? The answer is not the US or the UN, but rather the Iraqis, the Vietnamese, and the Darfurians. Outsiders can help by changing the balance of power, say, by supplying arms and training and other assistance. But when it comes to killing their countrymen, it is a job best left to the men of that country.
Tribes in places like Darfur have centuries of grievances against each other, few of which I understand and none of which I am willing to die for, or rather see my son die for; I am not their judge and even less their executioner. Of course, we cannot ignore the genocide, if such there be, but the proper course is to threaten to arm the victims, and to actually do so if the threats fail. The Government of Sudan knows that we cannot get an army in there, and hence doesn’t take our threats seriously. However, we can get arms in there, and that is a threat they would take very seriously. One hopes that a threat is enough to do the job, since the last time we actually armed a group of rebels, we created the Taliban.
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Deemo-crazy? Why would anyone want it? Our own founding fathers rejected it (they created a White republic instead). All deemo-crazy is is another type of egalitarianism. As for Arabs, you can’t force deemo-crazy onto clannish, low-IQ urchins who don’t want it anyway.
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