Richard Spencer

Did somebody say immigration?

Posted by Richard Spencer on September 05, 2008

As I noted this morning, what was perhaps most significant about McCain’s acceptance speech last night was what he didn’t say. The senator kept reminding us how much of a “maverick” he is, but then didn’t much go into details about the ways he’s broken with the conservative base. He barely mentioned campaign finance reform and judges. And immigration--the issue that most alienates the senator from just about every delegate in the hall--McCain didn’t bring up at all. 

Or did he?

Peter Brimelow and Mickey Kaus have both pointed out that McCain’s praise of “bipartisanship” might mean that he’s gearing up for a big illegal-immigration amnesty with the liberals in Congress. 

Here’s Kaus: 

Am I crazy or are these passages a blazing arrow pointing toward ... comprehensive immigration reform, one big bipartisan ‘solution’ that the Democratic Congress will be all too happy to work with President McCain to achieve? What else is he talking about? OK, maybe Social Security (where Congress will be far less helpful.) ... Surprisingly, immigration reform--which McCain’s friend Lindsey Graham pledged he ‘will’ take up--wasn’t actually mentioned at all in the speech. I’d thought McCain would at least ‘flick’ at it as part of his pitch to the Latino swing vote. Maybe the convention really was all about the base (which doesn’t like the semi-amnesty parts of McCain’s reform). They can always be betrayed later.

Immigration has fallen off the radar in the past year. If McCain’s elected, we need to gear up for a fight. 

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After an overwhelming number of state delagates “passed” on McCain’s nomination why would anyone be surprised that he didn’t bring up the reasons he is considered a maverick?

McCain knows he has been in bed and will continue to be in bed with Ted Kennedy and the RINO’s who supported the attack on our freedom of speech and now hope to overrun the country with millions more illegal alien criminals so how could he bring up more than just bragging that he is a maverick when he knows a lot of the Republican base didn’t and won’t support him?

Question: What are everyone’s reasons for opposing immigration?

Seriously, I would like to know what people’s reasons are.  I believe we could all have a more honest discussion if we were to just explain ourselves to one another, in a fair and civil manner.  These reasons need not be explained, simply listed.

Thank you.

Immigration is McCain’s earmark.

Palin buys McCain nothing from me.  I want the neocons out of my government, immigration halted and illegal immigrants arrested and deported. McCain is trying to get past all this without telling outright lies about his intentions.  But by floating the names of AIPAC cyphers like Eric Cantor for VP, then allowing unpricipled slime like Lieberman onto the convention stage he has spoken volumes about what those intentions are. He’s going to sell us out to AIPAC, sell us out on immigration and and intensify outsourcing and the “work visa” scam.  He’s going to complete the wrecking job begun by Clinton and continued by Bush and the tweedle-dee tweedle-dum Congress.  We’ve got to vote them all out.

84,000 was increase in unemployed in August.  84,000 x 12 is about 1 million.  Immigration is over 1 million per year.

Patrick says:

Question: What are everyone’s reasons for opposing immigration?

Seriously, I would like to know what people’s reasons are.  I believe we could all have a more honest discussion if we were to just explain ourselves to one another, in a fair and civil manner.  These reasons need not be explained, simply listed.

Thank you.

My reasons for opposing immigration are as follows…

1.  I believe that immigration should exist for one reason..to meet the labor needs of our country.

2.  I oppose ILLEGAL immigration because it is possible that those who wish us ill could sneak into the country.

3. I oppose high levels of (legal) immigration because of the large numbers of people who have not assimilated (due to illegal and large numbers of immigrants who have recently arrived).

4a. “Family reunification” should not be high on the list of reasons to accept immigrants.  Do we need the old and sick relatives of immigrants to clog our social welfare roles?

4b. I think that allowing foreign brides from the immigrants’ home ountries (especially young, uneducated girls for pre-arranged marriages) should be forbidden.

Why?

This would encourage the immigrants to marry the daughters of other immigrants who were born here...and are at least partially Americanized. It will help to break up the tribal affilications of those who choose to settle here. The families will form new affiliations within their socioeconomic groups and churches
(mosques).

5. Immigration of unskilled labor is not adventageous for native-born people who are not “college material.”

Why depress wages and keep adding semi-employed people to welfare roles?

Also, hard physical labor is good for young men..in most cases.  They get strong, go to bed earlier and (in most cases)stay out of trouble.  In addition, they have the income to form families.

I’m sure if I thought more about it; I could find several other reasons to curb immigration.

Patrick,

For me my beefs about this issue involve the absolute number of newcomers, the lack of assimilation, the origin of the newcomers, the strain on public services, depression of wages for our workers, and the sense of chaos and lawlessness.

So far, two answers, neither of which are the correct answer.

I figured as much.

The only reason to oppose immigration is that it will destroy the fabric of your Catholic Culture.  Considering that American “culture” is explicitly against the One True Faith, then any kind of Satanic “creative destruction” is simply inevitable.  Even without immigrants, American “culture” would still be a boiling cauldron of perversity.  What kind of leap in logic is required to believe an abundance of Catholics, or even Muslims, are pushing for such things as gay “marriage”, abortion “rights”, wars on Iraq, Afghanistan, etc., the rampant cultural depravity, industrialized farming, automobile oriented cities and villages, etc.

America is a mess not because there are some 15 million Catholic “brown people” contained within it’s borders, but because from the very foundation, it has rejected God and embraced Satan.

Has it ever occurred to any of you that if America were to turn towards God and away from Satan, then perhaps the regime of Freemasons that also run Mexico would collapse?  At that point, the Mexicans would no longer have a need to come to America, and immigration would be rare.  Believe you me, Mexicans do not come to America because they like it here, they come to America because it is their only outlet; their own country is cut off from them by their own government.

Stopping immigration does not require a policy of deportation and building walls, but starts right there in your own heart.  First, America must take care of it’s own problems, it’s own government; then, perhaps, we can worry about our neighbor’s.

The Gospel According to Saint Luke, Chapter 6: 41 And why seest thou the mote in thy brother’s eye: but the beam that is in thy own eye thou considerest not? 42 Or how canst thou say to thy brother: Brother, let me pull the mote out of thy eye, when thou thyself seest not the beam in thy own eye? Hypocrite, cast first the beam out of thy own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to take out the mote from thy brother’s eye. 43 For there is no good tree that bringeth forth evil fruit; nor an evil tree that bringeth forth good fruit. 44 For every tree is known by its fruit. For men do not gather figs from thorns; nor from a bramble bush do they gather the grape. 45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth that which is evil. For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

ojjpac.com/memorial.asp
immigrationshumancost.org
2/19/08 Cottonwood, MN, four school children are killed, two of them brothers, 12 injured, when an illegal alien slammed into their school bus.  The illegal alien had been cited in 2006 in Minnesota for driving without a valid license, duh.  Had the illegal alien, also an identity thief, not been in this country, these children would be alive.
April 2008, Tina Davilos, mother of five, is stabbed to death by an illegal alien, Timoteo Rios, who attempted to rob her and take her SUV, which happened to contain her four month old daughter.  She screamed, “My baby, my baby”, as she fought off Rios.  Rios headed for the Mexican border.  Five orphaned children, for what, because no one has the wherewithal to do their job?
This doesn’t even scratch the surface Patrick.  Do a web search on Jordin Paulder and see how this child met his fate.
Jobs are lost, wages are garnished, identities stolen, Americans are victims of all manner of violent crime, social services are strained to the breaking point, we are paying for the education of people’s children who have no business being here, to the detriment of our own children’s education and on and on and on, but apparently this doesn’t register with you.  Are you that naive, or do you simply not care? 
The fact that the Decider fully expects our troops to hazard all they hold dear at his behest, and yet, will do little or nothing to rectify this situation is beyond comprehension.
As Sarkozy said (I paraphrase), immigrants should be selected, not endured.
Do you want a nation sovereign unto itself?  Do you want your children to have any realistic expectation of having a viable future?  If it hasn’t had an effect on your life, just wait, it will.
Free Ramos and Compean!

And please don’t confuse the issue Patrick.  This isn’t about immigration, per se, it is about illegal immigration that is a de facto invasion.  And please don’t warp scripture to justify this or cast aspersions on anyone who doesn’t share your point of view.  You have no idea of anyone’s commitment to Christ nor what anyone posting on this thread has done for the cause of Christ. Judge righteous judgement.  But leave the gospel out of this, it is execrable.

Mr Former Marine Officer,

Evil things happen.  I can name crime after crime as well, all committed by various “native born White Americans”.  So there really is no point to your comment, other than no one should live in America besides yourself.  Is that the point you are trying to make?

Before this gets ugly, I’m going to get to my point:

Immigration is a problem that will solve itself, as long as the focus isn’t on solving that particular problem but all the other problems that have been building up in America since it’s foundation.  The cause of these problems is apostasy from the One True Faith, the Faith of what is called the Roman Catholic Church.  The resultant problems caused by this apostasy include such things as wars of conquest, genocide, credal propositionalism (yes, I just made up that phrase, aka “propositional nationhood"), usury (counterfeiting, etc.), birth control, racial integration, abortion, and gay “marriage”, among many many others.

Mexicans don’t cause those problems, “native born White American apostates” do.  The “immigration problem” is just a scapegoat to focus you on non-problems, so you can’t devote energy to solving the TRUE problem.

The resultant problems caused by this apostasy include such things as wars of conquest, genocide, credal propositionalism (yes, I just made up that phrase, aka “propositional nationhood"), usury (counterfeiting, etc.), birth control, racial integration, abortion, and gay “marriage”, among many many others.

I am really scratching my head at how Catholicism, a universalist creed if there ever was one, would somehow encourage racial seperatism.

Posted by Marc on Sep 05, 2008.

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Because if Whites want to live with Whites, and if Blacks want to live with Blacks (as is the case, simply look at any number of social situations where integration is not forced), then that is the “organic Natural Order”.

Perhaps I should have called it “forced racial integration”, but I figured the “forced” would be understood.

If a Black man kneels next to me at the Sacrifice of the Mass on a Sunday, he is very welcome, just as I would be welcomed kneeling shoulder to shoulder with a Black man in his parish.  This is a reason for the need of a subdued, ancient liturgy, as one finds in the Old Mass.

The Sacrifice of the Mass is universal; the Sacraments are universal; the Church is universal.  Not necessarily the dealings of me and my family in the world.  My barbers have always been White.

Posted by PH on Sep 05, 2008.

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Lke the majority of Americans I oppose illegal immigration and want less legal immigration. I am an immigration conservative.If you want my reasons may I refer you to the Numbersusa website. Numbersusa.com has done a wonderful service of explaning the reason for its consevative immigration positions tht I agree with and has an excellent feature that lets you fax your elected representatives and let them know how you feel about immigration. This feature, in my opinion, was responsible for many of the millions of faxes and letters sent opposing the 2007 Comprehensive immigration reform bill which scared Congress silly.
If you prefer not to go to Numbersusa and still prefer a reason why the majority of people prefer less immigration I can refer you to the South Park episode,
“ ...they toook owwer jobbs!”
Delmar Jackson

Racial separatism - now there’s a sin!  Keeps me awake at night, you know?  That is until I recall scripture and realize that races (nations) were created by God and that each had and has his separate dwelling places (lands) - until very recently.

I oppose immigration because white people are better looking than others races.  Nobody would think I was weirdo for moving from New York to Wyoming for the space, why should I be ashamed about caring about how the people who I deal with on a daily basis look?

As for an earlier commentor’s question about illegal immigration, here are my reasons for opposing the practice and the granting of amnesty to illegals:

1) IDENTITY THEFT:  There are a significant number of working illegals that are committing ongoing identity fraud via fake/stolen SSNs, a crime that would likely include jail time if a citizen was caught doing it.  Entire industries turn a blind eye to these crimes (ex. the restaurant industry), because doing so provides them with employees who will work for very little and not make waves.

2) LINE-CUTTING:  Giving illegal aliens amnesty would be a slap in the face (or outright kick in the groin) to every legal immigrant who is trying to take the legal path towards citizenship or indefinite residency with all its red tape.  I have known people who have worked for years just to get their green card, much less full citizenship.  Why bother if you can just get amnesty?  People who cut in the front of the queue should not be rewarded for it.

3) SOCIAL BURDEN:  Illegal aliens are a burden on our already costly social services, both public and private.  Hospitals should not be driven out of business because too many illegals are showing up in their emergency rooms and not paying for it.  Public schools should not have to cater to the children of parents who are not even legal residents.

4) BALKANIZATION:  A country like the USA has been able to assimilate immigrants in reasonable numbers over the centuries, especially those who shared a common language or culture, but the massive amount of illegal immigration we have had from Mexico gives those illegals little to no motivation for assimilation.  Some urban or rural areas in America might as well be colonies for Mexico where no English is spoken.  The recent Georgia debacle has demonstrated how well countries function when they have large segments of the population that are at cultural and linguistic odds with each other.

Posted by Chad on Sep 06, 2008.

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Immigration is the Zyklon B of the Nazi left.  I oppose mass immigration because I oppose being the victim of genocide.  That’s the only real answer.  It is a hate motivated policy of genocide, and if you don’t oppose it on that ground then you don’t oppose it at all.  Imagine a Pole in 1943 pretending that his beef with the Nazis was only about employment or tax codes.  Liberalism, leftism, progressivism, whatever it wants to call itself, and whatever it was in the past, is a white-hating racist movement that practices murder, rape, ethnic cleansing and racist colonialism against its victims.

re Patrick Hall

Immigration causes genetic replacement. Search Wright Island Model immigration.

Men’s median wages are the same as in 1973, see p60-233.pdf.

Non-whites discriminate against whites in education, hiring, and even buying sandwiches.  Non-whites in the DC area don’t go into mom and pop sandwich shops run by whites.

Non-whites are highly racist towards whites.

DOJ: “racial differences exist”.  Blacks do 7 times as much violence.  A black male does 4 to 8 violent acts on average in his life.  52 percent of murders since about 1975 are by blacks. Hispanics are half as violent as blacks.

Use of public resources.

Poor service and competence. Verizon doesn’t work well because of minority employees. Same with government.

Foreign nurses and doctors may end up killing you and laughing about it.

Blacks are 7 times more likely to commit violent crimes than all other Americans,
including “Hispanics.” They’re roughly 10-11 times more likely to commit violent
crimes than white Americans. Though not as violent as blacks, “hispanics” are far
more violent than European-Americans.

Posted by SK on Sep 06, 2008.

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There really is no question that the point of mass immigration is to engineer the replacement of the historic American nation with a new non-European nation. 

One of the many advocates of such a policy in the media, a fellow named Harold Meyerson, sort of lets the cat out of the bag in a recent column published in the Washington Post.  Here is the relevant section: 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/02/AR2008090202442_pf.html

By Harold Meyerson
Washington Post, Wednesday, September 3, 2008; A15

But the economy is not all; the GOP’s last best hope remains identity politics. In a year when the Democrats have an African American presidential nominee, the Republicans now more than ever are the white folks’ party, the party that delays the advent of our multicultural future, the party of the American past. Republican conventions have long been bastions of de facto Caucasian exclusivity, but coming right after the diversity of Denver, this year’s GOP convention is almost shockingly—un-Americanly—white. Long term, this whiteness is a huge problem. This year, however, whiteness is the only way Republicans cling to power.

PH:

1)Read the VDare archives.

2) Read Steve Sailer’s blog archives.

3) Read as much of the relevant American Renaissance archives as you can stand.

4) Read Majority Rights archives.

5) Get back to us.

You’ll get it eventually.

HEY TAKI!  Pull a wad out of your sock and pay someone WHO KNOWS WTF HE’S DOING to redesign your site.  I can’t get it to look worth a shyte in IE or FF.

Hell, I was going to comment in depth on PH’s wrongheadedness but who wants to compose a post in a box twelve characters wide?

Mr. Svigor:

You might try composing your comment in a word processing document and then copying and pasting it into the box.

Svigor, and others:

I didn’t realize the Supreme Court “Justices” that legalized abortion in America were non-Whites.  Nor did I realize only non-Whites supported the illegalization of abortion.  Nor did I realize the US Congress was controlled by non-Whites when they passed the 1965 immigration laws.

In my ignorance, I believed that the demographic history of America was overwhelmingly White, but, according to you people, Whites have been undermined by this superpowerful non-White political class.

Of course, the ACTUAL answer is that the “great White race” has actually, more or less, killed itself with those aforementioned decisions.  The White race isn’t so “great”.  Neither is the Black, Brown, or Yellow races.  People, and democratic political decisions, in general, suck.  Perhaps instead of continuing to press to have the Liberal Democracy of America keep out Mexicans and put Blacks in their place, you should start fighting against Liberal Democracy.  Of course, that would be a rejection of the Enlightenment, and would bring you into the Catholic Church, and we all know how much you Satanists (that’s right, I called one) hate God and His Church.

Of course, white elites and liberals are responsible for our lunatic immigration policies. The madness began with our first Catholic president, JFK. What’s your point? That sane whites shouldn’t oppose massive nonwhite immigration because insane whites support massive nonwhite immigraton?

Criminalizing abortion and imprisoning myriads of women and girls and doctors will do nothing to save whites and white America unless we stop and reverse the invasion of nonwhites from the Third-World.

Whites are the worst people on earth, except for all the others.

Posted by SK on Sep 07, 2008.

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One reason for narrow column comments is to discourage long-winded windbags from blathering on about off topic subjects.

Its only been partly successful.

Patrick:

You might take a quick look at Salter’s concept of Ethnic Genetic Interests.  Because of a universal double standard (I like my people best), it is advantageous to prevent other ethnies from invading the home territory to any significant extent.

But really, the home territory & culture is the posterity given to me by my Fathers. I like it, I want to keep it that way, and I have absolutely no guilt about my attitude.  I accept ethnies such as the Japanese that have a similar; we are both correct.

Throughout the West, third-worlders want to come for a better life.  But the truth is, they are free riders.  Our physical and cultural territory is no part of their posterity, thus we earnestly seek to preserve our world.

If you want to go help other races, please go to their homelands and get busy.  I’m sure they will welcome you, but in the end you will remain a kindly stranger.

You quote the new testament.  check the old and you’ll find quite a lot of territorial and tribal conflict-cruel and deadly conflict.  Quote that to us, too, OK?

JPS

Posted by jps on Sep 07, 2008.

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Here’s another story to warm your heart Patrick.  Friday, an alleged illegal alien slammed his pickup into a Baskin Robbins, killing three, one a little three year old boy waiting for his ice cream.  Does this make a dent in your nonsensical/rotted armor of self-righteousness?
Riddle me this Patrick, how would you feel if this were your little one?
The link is on worldnetdaily.com to a story on thedenverchannel.com. This won’t make any difference to Patrick, but the killer fled the scene, went and took a shower in an effort destroy physical evidence, and lied to the authorities.  He is now in the custody of ICE.
Once again the logic will escape you Patrick, but these three statistical unfortunates ought all to be alive.
Believing in the rule of law and the sovereignty of this nation does not make one a bigot.  Of my dearest friends in the Marine Corps, one of the very best had a great deal more melanin in his skin than me, others had surnames of different ethnicities.  I did not and do not care; they were/are my brother Marines.
What I care about is that the law be upheld.  I care that precious innocents are needlessly killed. How about you Patrick?  Is innocent life sacrosanct in your book or do the dictates of political correctness (couched in the guise of Scriptural fidelity) trump every other consideration?

That Americans suffer all manner of evil at the hands of illegal aliens is not a matter of conjecture.  It is the unassailable truth.  Just as surely, all of this could and should be avoided.
For myriad reasons this condition persists.  What is even more tragic is that those actually charged with doing something about this, largely shirk their duties.
I want my family to have a decent chance of enjoying a reasonable future and the blessings of liberty in a land that our honored dead before them gave their “last full measure of devotion” to secure.
Furthermore, few things could be more gratifying than that one would come to this nation under the right circumstances to become an American, to embrace our history and culture (understanding our failures as well as our triumphs), to speak the common tounge so that we retain a semblance of social cohesion, to contribute to the vibrancy of this great nation.  Truly, I do not care if they are from the celestial body formerly known as the planet Pluto.  However we cannot long endure this lawlessness, this evil, for we will cease to exist and the world will be a darker place.  Daily it grows more dim.
God was/is not the author of confusion and lawlessness.

Mr. Former Marine,

you wrote ...

“That Americans suffer all manner of evil at the hands of illegal aliens is not a matter of conjecture.  It is the unassailable truth.”

....and i immediately thought of native americans and the illegal aliens inflicting “all manner of evil” upon them being the invading europeans.

What goes around, eh?

As a former marine officer, perhaps you’re familiar with the writings of another former marine -ever heard of major general Smedley Butler?

Posted by paddy on Sep 07, 2008.

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Indeed I am, “War is a Racket”.  Smedley Darlington Butler had it figured out.
As far as what goes around, I am Cherokee/Choctaw among other things.  One can view history from whatever perspective they prefer; however, I am an American.  This is my nation and I shall not willingly give up my liberty nor shirk the welfare of my family.
I am of Irish, Scotch, Welsh, English, Huguenot, German-Jewish, and Finnish extract, but, regardless, I am an American.
I would note that there are approximately 40,000 Irish here illegally.  If it were in my power, I would repatriate every last one.  America, Paddy, love it or leave it; a Republic if we can keep it.
I was born here Paddy, I am a
Native American.  You are either, native, naturalized, legal or illegal alien.  That is the sum of it.
This nation, as is every other, is a nation of immigrants Paddy.  To my knowledge, only Adam was created of the dust of the Earth.  The Lord Christ himself conceived in immaculate fashion by the Holy Ghost.

Semper Fi

I’m not a citizen or resident of the empire, thank God!

Semper Fi??!?!

If you’re familiar with Smedley Butler, i’d ask you just what it is to which you feel such fidelity.

Posted by paddy on Sep 07, 2008.

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Fidelity to the Republic Paddy, not the corporate oligarchy.  You’ll notice that I refer to my nation as a Republic.
If it were up to me, I would roll every C-5, C-17, C-130, and every overseas military charter aircraft we have, and we’d be out of Iraq and Afghanistan by the end of next week. 
I harbor no illusions regarding any the conflicts in which we are engaged.  We are not the world’s policeman.  It is not our place to fight proxy wars. 
You can be true to an ideal without being naive. I dearly wish the good, Patriotic citizens of this nation were fully aware of the current reality and how little regard the oligarchs have for them or the sacrifices they and theirs have made for this nation.
God help us.

Posted by FMO on Sep 07, 2008.

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FMO, you mention the “American nation” and “the Republic”. I can’t help but assume you are a Lincoln Worshiper. Is that true? Do you consider The South illegitimate? Is America “One”, that is, not “many”?

I’ve certainly had my say, but it staggers me how this is an issue that can be rationalized.  We are a good and generous nation, as well we ought to be, but we are sowing the seeds of our own destruction.
Worship Lincoln? No, I worship no man.  However, by the end of his life Lincoln had a much firmer grasp of the truth and would have done a much better job with the postwar than the hacks who attempted to destroy the South (both my Paternal and Maternal GG Grandfather’s served in the Army of the Confederacy). 
But as far as Presidents are concerned, the best was most certainly the first.  None of us are above reproach, but George Washington was a noble, humble man who comported himself with great dignity, and his legacy was one of sacrifice and foresight.
That government governs best which governs least.  Moreover, the 10th Ammendment ought to have a full set of teeth.  Yet for all of this, my forbearer Michael Israel didn’t fight in the Battle of Kings Mountain for no reason, nor did my paternal forbearer’s brother languish on a British Prison ship without cause.
I wish you well Patrick, but the question remains, “What will we bequeath to our Posterity?” We are betwixt a rock and a hard place.  Our sovereignty ought not be fritted away.

Posted by FMO on Sep 07, 2008.

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“The Lord Christ himself conceived in immaculate fashion by the Holy Ghost.
Semper Fi
Posted by Former Marine Officer on Sep 07, 2008”

It was Blessed Mary Ever Virgin ("I am the Immaculate Conception") who was conceived immaculately.

Posted by JLS on Sep 08, 2008.

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“We are a good and generous nation...”

“We”? You speak for my clan? How is that possible? You are not of us, nor am I of your’s.

That is, unless you assume your “American nation” over-rides my clan.

Might I remind you, FMO, that my clan is NOT subsumed into your “nation”, nor is that possible.

My clan is something quite separate from your “nation”.

Vive ut Vivas

Immigration is none too good.

“Mr. Svigor:

You might try composing your comment in a word processing document and then copying and pasting it into the box.”

I don’t much like reading them 12 characters wide, either.

Svigor, and others:

I didn’t realize the Supreme Court “Justices” that legalized abortion in America were non-Whites.

Don’t address me as if you’re responding to my statements when you aren’t.  That’s a bad habit of yours.

Are you “Irish” by any chance, Patrick?

McCain’s apostasy on the Republican position on immigration and the Demcorats inability to split McCain from his party’s base shows you how incompetent Obama and his Demcorats are.  All the Democrats and fellows like George Soros has to do is remind Republicans that McCain will stab conservatives in the back in 2009 on immigration and the current Palinmania will be snuffed out.  Yet the good news may be that Obama is so incompetent that he will stumble in 2009-10 just as Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton did previously.

Patrick,

Your comments seem to imply that you think there can be no just social and political order that is not explicitly and self-consciously Catholic.  It’s not at all clear to me that this is the case.  Indeed, it would seem that adherence to the natural moral law is all this is required for a social and political order to qualify as fundamentally just (if incomplete) and worthy of preservation.

Indeed, it would seem that adherence to the natural moral law is all this is required for a social and political order to qualify as fundamentally just (if incomplete) and worthy of preservation.

Posted by Joseph on Sep 08, 2008.

Sounds like more Enlightenment rehash.  Consider this.  Human groups evolved in geograpically separate regions under different selective pressures - evolution did not stop at the neck, the races not only look different therir minds, on average process sensory information differently and with varying effeciency.

We need essentialism back on the table.  Not enlightenment rehash.  That means an objective, scientific explication of European Man and Woman. 

What was the Enlightenment anyways but a play on European Man’s higher level of individuality and the head rush that came with realizing his mighty creative powers.

We cannot make good Natural Lawists out of Negroes and Mestizoes, nor even high IQ northeast Asians and Jews.

Indeed, the fruits of the Enlightenment have eroded our racial “immune system” and the above mentioned are enjoying the ride upon our backs as we shuffle towards the grave.

Of course, we ourselves must once again become strong, but we must cast them off aswell.

That may be tough to hear, but it is so - if we want to live.

Question: What are everyone’s reasons for opposing immigration?

I take it that you are referring to legal immigration and immigration in general as opposed to the open lawless of foreigners with regards to our laws. Hopefully, I do not have to explain the reason for why Western society needs laws in this regard.

I oppose current levels of immigration because mainly it in our current situation it is a weapon of globalism. I oppose globalism and believe in national sovereignty i.e. that God created separateness of nations and peoples. God destroyed Babel and I do not believe we should recreate it.

Now let me explain how high levels of immigration are being used by the Globalist against everyone.

1. High Levels of Immigration increase supply of Labor. In our current state of collapsing physical economy, this drives down wages and reduces worker bargaining power.

2. High levels of Immigration work as a release valve for corrupt foreign governments so that opposition to intolerable situations in those economies would require much needed reforms to allow for economic development. In effect it allowing high immigration is allowing worker dumping for third world countries instead of forcing them to develop the capacity to care for their own populations and export product. It also works as a means of social control.

3. High Immigration creating a brain drain in third world countries which further diminishes the value of labor in the third and thus creating a incentive for our business keep outsourcing even as US labor value drops due to increased supply. In short, high immigration creates a race to bottom effect that would other be canceled by fixed labor markets.

4. During a collapse of the physical economy the infrastructure of the nation becomes over burdened with increasing population and thus destroys markets that depend on the efficiency of that infrastructure. Immigration accelerates this process.

5. The transfer of immigrants from the host country artificially under burdened of infrastructure demands in the host country. But since those third world countries need more infrastructure development not less high levels of immigration delays those projects and jobs they would create thus creating an artificial need for immigration if normal patterns of economic development where not harmed by high levels of immigration.

6. Higher levels of low-skill immigrants place greater demand on public services thus increasing the need for more government spending on such programs but a lag factor will never allow the proper functioning of such programs.

7. The because influx of low-skill low wage immigrants cannot increase the tax base fast enough to pay for the public services that they consume so the government is forced money to borrow at interest which devalues the currency further.

8. The lower wages created by the increase in the supply of labor is offset by externalities in a collapsing physical economy thus allowing Employers to unjustly profit at public expense.

9. High Levels of High Skill Immigrants use our education system and HB1 visa program as a training program to displace our native workers in the global market. Thus allowing third world countries to temporarily create high skilled workers without expense of creating their own educational/trainings system. This results in a cannibalization of US higher education/training systems by foreigners which will create shortages of high skilled workers in the native population and degrades the overall quality of the training because the skills are not recycled back into same educational/training network.

10. Since higher immigration is increasing the skill low to high skill ratio the high skill labor is over burdened and less efficient as their skills are being monopolized in the service of low skill labor instead of capital formation.

11. Higher levels of immigrants depletes our resource base faster with less capitalization of those resources.

12. High levels of immigrants create markets for decapitalization of industry by allowing manual labor to economically supplant infant industries like robotics.

13. Higher level of immigrants are used to promote anti-American racialist movements which split the labor movement and breaks worker solidarity.

14. The rate of language assimilation necessary for social, political, and economic cohesion is inversely related to the rate of immigration and continued increased will result a total break down of all social cohesion i.e. Balkanization.

15. Low levels of social cohesion are cause by a more mutli-ethic or multi-lingual society are used for top down political control by promoting artificial enclave rivalry.

16. Coordination of united fronts for needed social and economic reform against the current power structure is destroyed by the artificial enclavism.

I’m done I can go on and on and on and on about how high levels of immigration are bad policy given our current situation. The basic point is that the globalists are trying to create common global labor market where we have wage equalization but to do this the United States has change its more advanced economy into a third economy and adopted the policies of every tin pot backwater.  What the Globalism requires the forcing of Americans to be totally interdependent on the trading and production routes owned by those globalist like George Soros and creation of a global culture that George Soros, Al Gore, and Prince Philip think is good and middle America be damned. 

In short, open immigration is part of the same kind of plan of the Evil British Empire with its monopoly on Naval trading routes and colonial policy of forced underdevelopment that America was born fighting against. It is the corporate oligarchy trying to recreate a modern tower Babel and a world Empire of Corporatism. Conservatives must reject Global Imperialism and all of its designs including open immigration.

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