Too bad she isn’t runnnig for Prez instead of McCain.

How long before she has to present herself, bow to, and swear allegiance to AIPAC?

I know little about her, but this could be great news.  I am absolutely certain that McCain will not make it through his first term for health reasons.  She may be our best hope.

Prolife, pro small business, pro gun, pro drilling everywhere, and anti gay marriage, I have to vote for the ticket and hope the Good Lord calls old John home to his reward.

She appears to be a good pro-lifer and kind of working class person, so in that sense, good, but so young and relatively inexperienced… I do not understand why they thought they had to go outside the box like this, when Romney was available as a safe pick, albeit a little too rich. I can imagine Romney as President, but Palin?

Given that there were other solid choices available, I have to say this looks like a sign of lack of seriousness, or desperation, or some other such issue for the McCain people. At best maybe a gamble, and given McCain’s aggressive military tendencies, gambling is not what I need to see from him to make me feel comfortable.

Well, I was wrong (I predicted Romney)and although I think McCain is nuts, he’s not nuts for picking Palin.  A smart choice. The democrats have already wounded themselves so badly, this might put McCain in the WH, there being a number of feminists out there enraged that Obama didn’t put Hillary on his ticket.  Still won’t vote for McCain, but this makes the election dynamics even more interesting.

This one could turn really interesting.

Is the Governor of a state so wedded to the “free” market that it pays people public money just to live there nevertheless a good Republican merely because she is notionally against abortion (not that it will make any difference)?

And while the radical feminist Clinton supporters might balk at a pro-lifer, the far more numerous rural blue-collar whites who preferred Hillary to that guy with the foreign-sounding name probably or certainly never did agree with her about abortion.

A morally conservative believer in big government projects for the common good is right up their street - Main Street, USA.

And after all, the economic things might actually happen. The Republican Party will never commit electoral suicide by delivering on abortion and then waking up to wonder where all its Catholic and white Evangelical supporters went. Home to the Democratic Party, that’s where. Mission Accomplished.

But still don’t vote for McCain. He won’t stop abortion. He won’t do populist things economically, not these days. But he will do whatever Robert Kagan tells him to do abroad. Bomb it.

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The Sarah Palin pick is a pick of weakness.  If he had his druthers, McCain would pick Lindsey Graham, Joe Lieberman or Tom Ridge.  But the Republican base is unenthused by the treacherous McCain and this is his way of exciting the base.  Previous to the Palin pick for VP, conservatives were voting for McCain only out of fear of the loathsome Obama.  Now they can vote positively.

I’d have voted Republican if she was the pres. nominee.

Could McCain have picked a dumber, more inexperienced, more weak-willed woman than her? He talks about Obama’s experience, but she has next to none herself...she was in office an even shorter time than he’s been.

On the other hand, though, she’s the perfect pick for McCain’s temperamental, controlling persona. But there are other western, Republican women governors who’ve run real states and could have been SO much better.

Steve:

What do you know about her that causes you to say she is “dumb” and “weak-willed”?  I know virtually nothing about her, so I’m not saying you’re wrong; but, since I’m trying to learn about her, I’d be interested to see evidence of these tendencies, if you have any.

The “right” kind of experience is the major problem here.  That she has none, gives a better hope that she is uncorrupted. 

Her naivete may end up being her ultimate strength.

I won’t vote for McCain. She’s controllable and will be a complete McCain loyalist - which is why she was picked. McCain’s too much of an egoist to pick a strong VP who might disagree with him. She’ll be happy to devote herself to domestic issues while McCain/Lieberman run foreign policy and Graham/Joe take care of judges. A good political choice. I assume she will support McCain on Amnesty and every other issue.

Sorry, I can’t “give her a chance” because it means giving that hackneyed little Mussolini she’s running with a chance, too. Anyone willing to sit next to him, run on a ticket with him, or be associated with him is morally ambiguous at best. You know someone by the company they keep, and McCain is a red flag if ever there was one.

Steve:  in the absence of any supporting evidence, your post is sheer personal abuse.

About “control”:  the VP is *supposed* to be the President’s lieutenant.  Everyone bitches
about the Bush-Cheney co-presidency.  Well, that is what Obama-Biden are giving us, another
instance of a VP more experienced than the President.  Here, we have a more traditional
ticket, with a VP who will work for/with the President, not over/around/behind-the-back-of
the President.  The VP is not supposed to set policy him/herself, but to help the president do so.

By “here,” I mean on the McCain/Palin ticket. 

All things being equal, an experienced Pres. with a less experienced VP is better than
the other way around.  Prior to the Bush administration, VP’s did not do that much.  Though,
given McCain’s age, she is more likely to take office as president than was Quayle,
Gore, or Cheney.

How on earth does anyone claim to know she is “controllable?” She strikes me as a sort of right-wing flower child. A crunchy con. I suspect she is pretty independent. Check out the names of her kids.

Anyone know where Governor Palin stands on immigration and culture?

I don’t like her.  She is too provincial, too petit-bourgeois, to much like a hairdresser or a seamstress, or any other of these inferior, superfluous professions that parasitize on society.  One feels the need to remind her of her lowly station.

@ David Lindsay--You’d have to pay me to live in Alaska!  Anyhow the money from the oil revenue belongs to the citizens of Alaska.

I think that Sarah Palin is a good
pick.  The Republican base wasn’t
thrilled with McCain.  He already
had many of the swing voters.

(Biden didn’t hurt Obama but he is too liberal for many in the middle
to be a positive.)

Palin is known as a social and fiscal conservative; as well as a reformer. 

Both her and her husband are union members--which will help McCain. She owns a small business (with her husband).  She is a life-long member of the NRA (She does hunt and fish--a big draw in the west, midwest and the rural east).

She doesn’t strike me as the type who will just “shut up and go along” with McCain..especially if she has to push something through the Senate.

She might help with the woman’s vote.  She happens to belong to “Femminists for Life” Also, she is a mother of a disabled child that she chose to not abort.
She walks the walk....Pro-choice people will not be able to call her on that.

I think she is a perfect foil to Obama, in that her inexperience will coincide with his. Every time she is criticized for lack of experience, they can turn around and show that Obama is a first term senator. Not sure if that is why she was picked, but its a good reason. Plus, she is not inattractive. I had no reason to vote McCain, and still may not, but I will rethink it because of her.

“I don’t like her.  She is too provincial, too petit-bourgeois, to much like a hairdresser or a seamstress, or any other of these inferior, superfluous professions that parasitize on society.  One feels the need to remind her of her lowly station.”

How is being provincial and petit-bourgeois a reason not to like someone?  When NR essentially accused Francis and Buchanan of trying to create a white, provincial, petit-bourgeois movement and build its political views around that, I didn’t disagree, except for the part about such a movement not being “conservative.” To the extent that it isn’t, as Francis pointed out, conservatism is obsolete.  Since the First World War such a movement is the only thing even close to a conservative agenda in the West.  What makes a conservative movement is not conservative “values” but conservative people, and the provincial petit-bourgeois represents the only culturally conservative people left (Planters, Junkers, Habsburgs, and colonial officers are no longer around, and the cosmopolitan bourgeois has never been conservative). 

Anyway I like her but not enough to vote for McCain in the hope that he dies in office, which is quite a gamble.

Should McCain get elected and not survive his first term, remember Laura Roslin turned out OK.  She kind of looks like her, too.

I hope to God that “xman” was being ironic.  Could somebody shut off the underlining
command, please?

I like it.  Jared Taylor wrote an article saying Obama would win because whites never pass up an opportunity to feel virtuous.  People will be able to vote against Obama and still not be on “the wrong side of history.”

I can picture Mathews and Olberman at the begining of election night already getting all teary because no matter what happens we’ll “make history.”

This should be seen as what it is:  A total submission to the cult of identity politics.

Palin may be totally reasonable on cultural issues, though I am quite certain she is pro-empire which immediately disqualifies her from consideration in my book.

Beyond that I have to wonder what “giving her a chance” means?  This is the VP position we are talking about.  As a conservative of principle, I see no reason to support a ticket because the stand-in might not be as terrible as the stand-in on the other side.  I am a fan of Jon Tester and Jim Webb, but I would not have voted for Obama had one of them been selected as his VP, for the simple fact that to do so would be admitting and submitting to the extra-constitutional, role that the position has taken on in recent years.

I also can’t help but find it funny that “transparent government” McCain, chose an elected official from the Alaska GOP, which is the ethical equivalent of the New Jersey Democratic Party.

From what I can tell she’s a fiscal/social conservative, who has “credentials” as a reformer, but for Alaska that’s not saying much. She can afford to be strong in a far-off land of 300,000 people, but a nation of 300 MILLION? And she has to survive the current national power structure? She has even LESS experience than Obama as a person of government. 2 years as Alaska gov, and a few as a mayor of a town of 5000. She’s as much of an empty suit as he is. Add to that the fact she’s commented very little on immigration, race relations, and culture.

Maybe I am being too quick to judge her though. I’ll see what Sailer has to say, then I’ll comment again.

She is a big government welfare statist with the cut taxes and raise the debt mentality that appeals to red staters.

Alaska’s near the top of the list of red states that shout small government no tax rhetoric and then scream for massive federal pork.

On the other hand she isn’t a corrupt Republican insider and when the next Squama cell takes down McCain, she might even be serious on ending abortion. That would certainly put the beltway crew in hot water. It will be interesting to see her hug adulterous slime ball liars like Newt Gingrich.

Your latest post makes some sense.  But none of that makes her “dumb” or “weak-willed,”
let alone does it mean that there is no one dumber or more weak-willed.  You also presented
no reason to think that she would be easy to “control.” How, when, and where is the
VP supposed to operate independently of the President?  These are the problems with
your first post.

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Ugh, the last post was for Steve.

She addressed the Alaska Independence Party Convention. That says something. The biggest problem is that she is pro-war.

Being provincial and petit-bourgeois is the very best of reasons not to like someone.  Her clothes, her glasses, her hair, her tone of voice, her voice itself, all reek of “basse classe”.

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The thread is aesthetically hosed.

xman, we know you’re really Taki and are just pissed that she won’t go for you.

“superfluous professions”

Her husband is a commercial fisherman.  That is not a “superfluous profession,” like
being a magazine editor or something like that.  :)

I have to say that I am pleasantly surprised by the pick. I still won’t vote for McCain but it won’t be because of her.

Good point, Tobias.  Magazine editors should do something else for a living, something good and constructive, and write in their own free time.  As a hobby.  Professional journalists are a parasitic and malignant breed.  Now let me look at that woman’s CV: “a bachelor’s degree in journalism” - how nice! - “from the University of Idaho”, that august institution, the Alma Mater of a thousand Nobel Prizes.  And no, I’m not Taki.  He uses “low-born”, I prefer “inferior”!  Has a nicer ring to it :-)

Please. 

Does anyone believe this pick changes anything for more than a news cycle or two.  She may prove articulate, witty and intelligent or she may be as vapid as Dan Quayle.

Anyone who’d vote for McCain based on his V-P choice isn’t paying attention.

Is she going to come out against war in Iraq...Iran...Georgia or anywhere?  Condemn neoconservatism?  FISA? The “Patriot” Act?

There is nothing in this choice that will alter the unfortunate direction our nation is headed, or restore any respect for whats left of our Constitution and its separation of powers.

Genuine conservatives and civil libertatians have nothing to be happy about from this pick

I think it will give people who were thinking of staying home to protest mcain a reason to maybe show up and vote.  I like her but I simply can’t see her as president.  obama would have some rough sailing at first but she would need to learn everything about the job.  alaska is like 5 people and some carribou

At least she looks good, better than most women in politics that I’ve seen. I may have to watch politics on TV if she’s gonna be on. I bet McCain hasn’t even met her before.

Dylan Hales is spot on here, another Glorious Victory for Identity Politics. The Gregor Samsa Maverick picked hisself a Venus Fly Trap for the furious Golden Hour Sapphic Warriors For Clinton and to top that, she’s a gun totin Alaskan, a pro-lifer AND the Governor of a State that is nothing if not professional at milking the Federal Bunko Administration. This is called a Trifecta and with the Brain Dead Denizens of the so called “conservative” Republican Party, we’ve got a winner here.

I am devastated that Gregor failed to pick Momentum Lieberman but one has to be appreciative of this unexpected and near equally preposterous selection. As she sinks into stunned insentience as a result of her move from drowsy Anchorage to Hyperactive Washington, she’ll certainly be malleable but it seems a waste now that we have an apparatus in the Veeps office that makes Torquemada seem but a trifle.

American Politics is now liken unto a Paint By Numbers Set designed by Dali on booze and pills.

I just read that she opposes abortion even in cases of rape or incest.  Does this also include incestuous rape?  Can she be made to abdicate her candidacy somehow?  She sounds like McCain’s death knell.

At least 1 Alaskan legislator was talking about impeaching her and there are tapes of her aides making inappropriate calls to pressure to get her former brother-in-law fired. She then fired the head of the police because he wasn’t obeying her demands.

A vicious beyotch

Oh dear!

”I don’t like her.  She is too provincial, too petit-bourgeois, to much like a hairdresser or a seamstress, or any other of these inferior, superfluous professions that parasitize on society.  One feels the need to remind her of her lowly station.”-- Posted by xman on Aug 29, 2008.

And who are you?

What do you do that is so worthy?

Palin’s father is/was a commercial fisherman.  He husband is a steel worker--union man. (I think he works for BP) He races snowmobiles for a hobby. Both of them hunt and fish.

”I just read that she opposes abortion even in cases of rape or incest.  Does this also include incestuous rape?  Can she be made to abdicate her candidacy somehow?  She sounds like McCain’s death knell.”—Posted by xman on Aug 29, 2008.

If one believes that life begins at conception; the life that results from rape (even incestuous rape)is a valuable as any other life.

She “walks the walk” She chose to carry her child to term...even though the child was diagnosed with Down’s Syndrome. Her oldest child (son) is going to Iraq soon.

She is a maverick in Alaskan politics. AND She supported Pat Buchanan in 1996.

If McCain dies, we’re going to have a child at the helm of a potential war with Russia and China.

She should have said, “no, i’m really not as qualified as most of the other people.” What a political opportunist.

As others have said, this is just a thriumph for identity politics.

“Magazine editors should do something else for a living, something good and constructive, and write in their own free time.  As a hobby.  Professional journalists are a parasitic and malignant breed.  Now let me look at that woman’s CV: “a bachelor’s degree in journalism” - how nice!”

You, not I, said that professional journalists were parasitic.  I said, “magazine editors.”
Palin was a sports reporter.  That is much better—people actually care about sports.
She has also been a commercial fisher-woman, which is not a “parasitic” job.

Esmerelda (sic), chill out.  I am not running for Vice President, or any other elected office.  That totally unqualified, mediocre, plain, ill-educated woman is.  I’m an MD/PhD, since you just have to know.

One could argue that as a new mother she should have turned down the offer. Campaigning and being VP isn’t exactly family friendly. That seems a Christian, paleo, and otherwise conservative opinion. But this reaction is ridiculous. If the President was doing only what he/she is supposed to be doing Constitutionally then experience wouldn’t matter that much. How much experience does it take to veto unconstitutional legislation? What matters is what they believe about the role of government. All this talk of experience plays into the current unconstitutional model of President as CEO of America and “leader of the free world.” People at TakiMag should know better.

I support Chuck Baldwin, a preacher, and he is much more qualified than any of the other folks because he actually understands the Constitution and will attempt to follow it. Don’t buy into the current model of the Presidency. It feeds the beast.

I could care less either way (the race to run the Washington crime family doesn’t interest me) but there’s something strange about the choice of Palin and the enthusiasm for her from self-described conservatives, especially conservative men.  Can anyone imagine Augustine, Aquinas or Aristotle (or any of the founders) getting all excited at the prospect of a beauty queen president mom of 5, with her snow mobile racing first husband by her side?  Seems like a frontal assault on the natural order of things.  Mothers of young children in political leadership roles with supportive house husbands– wasn’t that a goal of communists and other radicals?  And if he’s not a house husband then who’s watching their kids?  Also, if a rookie cop was suddenly and unexpectedly promoted to police chief after a year on the force, folks would naturally wonder why; it might even lead to a corruption investigation.  Why is that not the case when it comes to Palin?

“[i}Esmerelda (sic), chill out.  I am not running for Vice President, or any other elected office.  That totally unqualified, mediocre, plain, ill-educated woman is.  I’m an MD/PhD, since you just have to know.”-- Posted by xman on Aug 29, 2008.

Sorry, xman.

LOL--I did get a little excited.. Didn’t I? :o\

Please forgive me. :o)

Palin looks to me like a younger, sassier version of that insignificant little spinster, Harriet Miers.  I hope her fate is similar, and soon, before it’s too late for John McCain.  But she needs to put up some credible excuse of her own, otherwise it will reflect badly on McCain’s judgment and that is not acceptable.

“P.O.W. and a woman, too!”

Pretty lame, but the Republicans have nothing else to run on, and nothing else to say.

With Gov. Sarah Palin’s pick as V.P. by McCain, my first thought was this is a another move in the feminization of America. My instinct is to believe that the potential President should be a natural dominant leader of Western Civilization. She obviously is not, as very few women can be.

However, when I heard Pat rave about her, and state that he was excited about her pick as a former supporter of his, I had second thoughts. I remembered that Margaret Thatcher was one of the few women in history who surmounted the natural leadership tests - she controlled issues and dominated most rooms she entered. I also pondered that the strongest conservative in Australia is a woman. Perhaps, most men are defanged by PC but that some women can attack the anti-culture and succeed.

Frequently, the true heart of a culture or an issue can only be sensed by those on the periphery, both geographically and politically. Immigration is the issue that will determine her muse. Even support for the war can be excused for one who didn’t really concern herself with that issue - but subservience to AIPAC would be conclusive.

This GOP McCain/Palin combo is so reminiscent of that 84 Dem combo of Mondale/Ferraro.

Enough said!

How many Md/PhDs change their own oil, pump yours from the earth or know how to de-ice injectors quickly and safely?  Mr. Palin does.  A good society values the contributions of both types of men.

First Esmerelda thought that I was running for Vice President, now cipher thinks that Mr. Palin is.  Actually I do know how to change the oil in my two cars and one truck, as well as I know how to plough a vineyard.  But it’s more profitable to pay other people to do these menial jobs for me while I work at my office.  No, I do not de-ice injectors.  I live in a warm climate.  What’s wrong with you people?  Ms. Palin is the candidate and the issue here.  She is also a total disgrace.

xman,

How is Governor Palin a total disgrace?  You have yet to offer a compelling argument supporting that assertion.

All politics is evil, so politicians come in various shades of evil. Of the four people running for P and VP the realistic choices are:  a white-hating fascist with a g*d complex, an anti-gunowner abortion monger party hack steeped in statism, a meglomaniacal sleezeball statist with contempt for free speech, and Palin. 

“I don’t like her.  She is too provincial, too petit-bourgeois, to much like a hairdresser or a seamstress, or any other of these inferior, superfluous professions that parasitize on society.  One feels the need to remind her of her lowly station.”

Cipher, I agree with you.  The above statement says more about the author than it does about Palin.  The parasites are the politicians, bureaucrats and their allies. How many MD’s (through the AMA) and Ph.D’s live off the taxpayers? It’s not Palin who is the total disgrace, but for some people the best defense is an offense.  ST