Now Peggy Noonan, a Kennedy Democrat turned Reagan/Bush I speechwirter from Paramus, New Jersey I do believe, had some interesting comments about Palin the other day when the microphone was on unbeknownst.
You can see them on this You Tube link here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq4sOM4tpno
Now, does this make Noonan the elitist from Paramus?
My what working for the Wall Street Journal will do to a Jersey girl.

Too bad Palin is afraid to embrace Pat.

“Too bad Palin is afraid to embrace Pat.”

It would be political suicide if she did.  The media was incredibly effective at slandering Buchanan.  Whenever I mention his name, people think he’s some sort of neo-nazi.

Exactly how long has the Israeli flag been on display in Gov. Palin’s office?  And she skipped an anti-abortion meeting to treat in private with AIPAC?!?  A nasty suspicion arises that she was on somebody’s shortlist for a significant while to cover in case the obvious big guns for VP-R turned out to be not such good vote bait.  I hope I’m wrong, but....

She skiped the prolife meeting because they didn’t want her to do any meetings before her speech. We all know where Sara stands on life.

Mr. Piatak, as usual, is fair and just in his commentary yet, sadly, the responses are entirely predictable.

It is interesting to observe just how positively negative paleos are.

One would think that a paleo could applaud Palin’s presentation.

According to the left, she was a breeder-cheerleader-animal-bleeder plucked from Palookaville who was an insult to every in-the-know American and she took the stage in front of 37 million viewers and proved her critics wrong.

But the paleos lack the grace to even concede that reality.  They can not put themselves in her shoes for even a second and try to imagine themselves facing such a daunting task under trying circumstances (the telepromter was on the fritz) and bringin it off with such grace, humor, courage and aplumb.

Nope. They rip her to shreds just like the liberals. They roll out the criticisms as though “why didn’t she do...” could not be endlessly multiplied about any human being in any circumstance and they avoid, like The Weather Channel’s Steve Cantore avoids the sun, and positive commentary about what she did do.

I am trying to figure out exactly who the Paleos are and what is their purpose?. I am quite serious.

The Paleos can’t be any sort of a political movement because it appears to hate everyone who is not already part of it and publishing nothing but attacks against those not already members of the Paleo-Party ain’t a successful tactic to attract others.

As an example of how positive commentary can lead readers into consideration of important matters, try this…

http://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/articles.cfm?id=264

If Dr Mirius was a Paleo, he would not have written as he did.

Non Spartacus:

Thanks for your kind words.

I am not Spartacus and other Palin sympathetics, please go to http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com and just read random articles from his enormous archive. Read many of them. Then come back here and tell me what you read that you object to.

Baldwin is not perfect. No one is. As a paleo, I think he uses too much classical liberal rhetoric, but so did Ron Paul. So does most everyone except Thomas Fleming.

The CP had a battle for their nomination and they overwhelmingly did the right thing. They defeated their neoconservative interloper. Don’t they deserve paleo support for that? Baldwin is a good man. The CP is a well meaning if sometimes misguided party. He and the CP deserve our support and our votes. They way Baldwin is being treated by paleos, or more accurately not treated, is, IMO, a bit shameful.

There is no paleo choice in this election. Baldwin is clearly the one. If he is on the ballot in your state, you are lucky. If he is not, write him in.

Good grief. This seems rather elementary to me.

I am not Spartacus,

The problem, of course, is that Dr. Mirus kicks his analysis off with republican talking points; she’s all beauty and no warts; he simply ignores any evidence that can be construed against her; and that’s a serious intellectual crime.  Also, I don’t see what’s wrong with concluding, quite reasonably I might add, that the US political system is corrupt and rotten to the core and that, as a person of integrity (Dr. Mirus’s concern), I’d rather point out the problems, inconsistencies and lies, than hope in vain for “solutions” – let alone join with and seek the approval of the corruptors.  Indeed, maybe the solution is to stay away and not vote – imagine if there was a war and nobody showed up.

Not Spartacus, I share your concerns about paleos being perpetually grumpy and unwilling to reach out beyond a tight circle. I have expressed this concern many times and in many places. In fact, an unwillingness to embrace the CP and Peroutka in 2004 is indicative of the problem. But the answer is not rank partisan (GOP) political pragmatism. Political pragmatism is one of the main things that ruined the conservative movement. The answer is in reaching out to fellow counter-revolutionaries of different stripes and forming coalitions, and boldly proclaiming where you stand.

Anon, if embracing Pat is “political suicide” then do it anyway and take one for the team. If they think association with Pat is some sort of smear, then tell them where they can stick it. You are suggesting that paleos allow themselves to be shamed and intimidated. How on earth does that move the movement forward? What if Palin had said, “Darn right I supported Pat, and I’m proud of it” and got booted from the ticket as a result. Wouldn’t that advance our cause more than having her act like any association with Pat is the kiss of death. Again I say, “Good grief!” Are we not men!

OK.. like Mr. piatak, I am a huge Sarah fan.  But, I’ll admit.  Justin Raimondo may have hit upon sonmething here:

“The Palin choice is really all about the internal politics of the GOP, as much as it is about the hubris of McCain’s handlers. With the party led over the cliff by the neocons, whose Iraq adventure has cost them control of Congress and likely the White House, it was necessary to start anew. By reaching back into the party grassroots, and playing the gender card, the neocons could retain control of the GOP instead of being blamed for its demise – and, perhaps, hold on to the White House.”

this would be devilishly neoconish wouldnt it?

There is no paleo choice in this election. Baldwin is clearly the one. If he is on the ballot in your state, you are lucky. If he is not, write him in.

Mr. Phillips. I fully respect your choice and I have made similar ones in the past. For instance, I met Howard Phillip’s son in Maine back in the day and I voted for Phillips (me and eight other Americans).

The problem, of course, is that Dr. Mirus kicks his analysis off with republican talking points; she’s all beauty and no warts; he simply ignores any evidence that can be construed against her; and that’s a serious intellectual crime.

Joseph. What is criminal is construing his piece in that way.

The answer is in reaching out to fellow counter-revolutionaries of different stripes and forming coalitions, and boldly proclaiming where you stand...

Agreed. But, realistically, that must happen within The Stupid Party.  (no fair pointing out the Pelayo reference applies here too).

The left launched the, successful, long march through the institutions. Pragmatically, and paradigmatically, the past is prologue for paleos, no?

You are suggesting that paleos allow themselves to be shamed and intimidated.

If I have, I write worse than my wife says I do. That was/isn’t my intent.

What if Palin had said, “Darn right I supported Pat, and I’m proud of it” and got booted from the ticket as a result.

I thought she supported another, maybe Forbes?

Wouldn’t that advance our cause more than having her act like any association with Pat is the kiss of death. Again I say, “Good grief!”

To be let into the Stupid Party Power Structure one, normally, has to crawl through various hoops.

Because of the conditions and political atmospherics attendant today, we are presented with a unique woman who, if malleable, is more likely malleable in our favor.

I hope, silently, below the radar, some persuasive paleos are befriending her.

I mean it is not like paleos must, imitate St. Edmund Campion and sneak around because The establishment seeks to discover and destroy them (wink, wink), but, they ought be wise as serpents and strike at this opportunity.

If Pelayo was a Paleo of today, he’d have remained forever in his cave, died unknown and uncelebrated, and Spain would be know as Al Andalus.

He led a movement that took seven centuries to succeed and he had to form alliances with rigorist traditionalists, Lax nominal Christians, secularists, and even conversos.

Mr. Phillips, I really do not know what will work. I do know the battle must be joined and it may as well be joined when The Stupid Party is at its weakest point in a long time.

Ethan

The laugh is on the neocons there (if Justin is indeed correct).  The country is not going to elect a man named Hussein when we just fought a war against and executed a man named Hussein.  McCain was going to win anyway (pace, Mr. Piatak).  Now the win will be ascribed to the party right-wing grassroots base. Good!

Re; anti-Spartacus:
If Spain had not kicked out all the Muslims and Jews right when they blundered on all that cash in the Americas, we’d likely all be speaking Spanish today.

Paleoconservatives are a tad churlish because they continually watch their principles being trotted out in glorious speeches by the pseudo-conservatives only to be promptly put back in a glass box labeled “Break only in case of emergency” . We inhabit a country that thinks it is a Republic of the old stripe, talks about being so but is decidedly not. Given that we still possess all manner of civil freedoms despite the creeping authoritarianism, it remains hard to justify our cynicism but to some, cynicism is a cheap thrill that keeps on giving.

The process of transforming Governor Palin from a small “c” conservative to a big government authoritarian conservative will be more public than the normal hypocrisy of Insider Washington. Her speech hit all the important themes of fear,resentment, paranoia and control and it would appear she’s well underway with her lessons. By all appearances, she seems a quick learner.

Meanwhile, the Democrats are transfixed and staring blankly into the headlights because they’ve been thoroughly out-big-governmented. This remains one of the most deliciously funny aspects of the current scene.

Non Spartacus,

What’s “criminal” about pointing out that a writer is making a serious mistake by drawing a conclusion (that Sara Palin is a woman of integrity) from, at best, an incomplete presentation of the available evidence?  Notice: I’m not saying Sara Palin is not a woman of integrity; I’m simply saying Dr. Mirus failed to make the case, in part, because he failed to reckon with all the available evidence, instead relying exclusively on obvious republican talking points.  Granted, he eventually launched into a serious and interesting discussion on the subject of integrity but his logical error remains nonetheless.  Anyhow, I don’t want to bore the list with this so that’ll be the last of me on this point.

transforming Governor Palin from a small “c” conservative to a big government authoritarian conservative?

She is and has been a big government authoritarian conservative. Her record in Wasila and support of Ted Stevens is a small town version of Bush Republicanism.

Sarah Palin may be the first “ordinary folks” to ever run on a presidential ticket. Nixon doesn’t count as ordinary because he obsessed, as Sarah Palin does not, over the attitudes, beliefs, and cockeyed opinions of the elites, who, “conservative” and liberal alike, have nearly ruined this country. I’m for Palin in 2012; McCain’s Russsia policy will force him to do an LBJ. We Alaskans (I lived in Fairbanks as a kid; my dad was a pilot for Alaska Airlines) might be unassuming but we are not pushovers for bullies, whether of the schoolyard or the neocon variety.

we’d likely all be speaking Spanish today.

Mr. Sabin. Were it not for the Spanish King’s material and martial assistance, we’d have never whipped Perfidious Albion and won our freedom.

Don’t forget we petitioned the Court of King Charles for money and material and martial support (of course we ripped him off in the process, but...) and we got it.

The Spanish kicked English ass in the Redneck Riviera (and captured scores of thousands of the creps, kicked their ass on the Mississippi, guarded supply ships from Cuba to N’Awlins etc etc,and we got to concentrate on the losers in the north .

Oh, btw, as one who lives in Florida,a state being colonised by the south, I well understand the need to speak Spanish :)

Her record in Wasila and support of Ted Stevens is a small town version of Bush Republicanism.

Timon. Here is a comparison chart compiled by PUMAs (Party Unity My Ass) a group of members registered in the Evil Party.

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/palin-obama-comparison-chart/#more-2681

PUMAs who say Nobama

http://justsaynodeal.com/

PUMAS who say, Nobama are more threatening to Obama’s electoral chances than the Knights who say “Nee” were threatening to King Arthur.

ouch. Look at that s/n. I have developed a lateral lisp.

What’s “criminal” about pointing out that a writer is making a serious mistake by drawing a conclusion (that Sara Palin is a woman of integrity) from, at best, an incomplete presentation of the available evidence?

http://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/blog.cfm?id=265

Not Spartacus, who she supported in ‘96 is still an open question. If she did in fact support Buchanan then isn’t her present denial of that a HUGE problem?

I have no problem with people working inside the Republican Party, esp. those who are more temperamentally inclined to do so. I supported Ron Paul in the GOP. I even involved myself with the local Republican Party and went to the 2007 Republican State Convention so I could better support him although I felt a bit dirty doing it. We should work in the primaries. But authentic conservatives who want to do that have to be willing to break with the GOP in the general. You can’t expect to make progress if you are willing to then reflexively support whoever the nominee for the general election is. Then they know they have you in their back pocket and there is no incentive to work with you.

Nor do I have a problem with incrementalism. But the incrementalism has to be in the right direction. I don’t see how you get where you want to go by going more slowly in the wrong direction. You have got to make a u-turn at some point. I don’t have any better idea how to make that u-turn happen than anyone else. I wish I did. But help me understand how, given even a best case scenario of Palin serving 8 years from 2012 to 2020, we are closer to the Old Republic and true constitutional government in 2020 than we are now, given the “new and improved” Sarah. As Howard Phillips has said, before you can achieve victory you must first seek it. The Palin supporters are, it seems to me, pursuing a strategy of, what we call in the business, harm reduction. OK fine. We are never going to restore the Old Republic or reestablish constitutional government, and so we must get about the business of mitigating the bad. I’m intellectually there, but I’m not emotionally there yet. I know deep down that is almost certainly true (baring Divine intervention), but I just can’t bring myself to give up the fight. So my question then is, why are the fighters the “cynics?” Why aren’t the harm reduction crowd readily embracing Sarah the real cynics?